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Introducing: Updated Casseroll

The air is beginning to have a certain crispness to it. I’ve seen just a slight change of colors in some of the leaves while riding to and from work, and also down along the river. Fall is in the air.

Fall for us up here in Minnesota is a time of social backyard get-togethers, great food, crisp morning bike commutes, and long weekend rides exploring hills and valleys before snow blankets the land. So with that I introduce to you the updated Casseroll. A bike many know and love, but now transforming into something new, just like the changing of fall colors. As the leaves change from green to beautiful shades of red and orange, so does the Casseroll in a way.

We’ve taken inspiration from our randonneuring friends, and feedback from riders who have spent countless hours helping to transform this bike. The Casseroll remains a bike that can be used a multitude of ways. Still a great road bike, back and forth commuter, the Casseroll is now even more adept for brevet type rides and superlight touring.

Perhaps you'll want to strip it down and run 23mm tires and do the group ride or that long road ride with your friends. Put a rear rack on it or run the included front Casseroll rack with it and commute back and forth to work. Put fenders and 38mm cross tires on it and go do that long mixed pavement and gravel ride you’ve always thought about doing. Run the front rack with a handlebar bag and do a ride out of town for a superlight overnighter or credit card tour. Strip it down to a singlespeed and feel the comfort of steel as you go mile after mile wherever you choose. The Casseroll continues to dish out plenty of options.



The updated Casseroll is still designed with the same Salsa Classico CroMoly tubing for frame and fork. I also wanted to give the same supple and crisp ride to every frame so I worked with our steel tubing to provide this same feel across the range. I also worked hard with fit geometry to keep trail numbers very consistent regardless of frame size. Through this I was able to give each frame the same stable, all day feel. The headtube is now taller so it’s easier to create a comfortable, more upright position.

The fork was also given a smooth sweep to compliment the new geometry and classic style. We also wanted to give a nod to the steel frames of old, so we gave it a more classic horizontal toptube without hurting standover clearance. We now use 6 frame sizes instead of 8, as we realized we can cover the same fit range while also making it easier for the consumer to pick their frame size.



A major frame feature change is the move to using cantilever style brakes. Cantis gives the rider more room to fit bigger tires, bigger fenders, and mud/snow clearance to tackle those gravel roads or winter commutes. We kept the same dropout as the previous version because it looks fantastic, works great, and provides the option of geared or singlespeed builds. An extra waterbottle mount was added oto the underside of the downtube to provide the option of up to three bottles on your rides. We also added mid-plane bosses to the seatstays for even more options for rack setup.

Finally, yes the bike does come with its own painted-to-match Casseroll front rack (the rack pictured in riding shots is a prototype, so just nickel plated). This rack was specially designed for this bike. You’ll notice the clean assembly to the bike along with the threaded mounts. The small rack works great to hold a handlebar bag, trunk style bag, a bit of extra clothing, or even an ultralight sleeping/bivy system.


 

The Casseroll has grown its own legion of fans during the last few years. I believe the Casseroll is a great bicycle, whether a  compliment your stable, or your entire stable. I hope you enjoy the updated version as much as I do.

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ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Sean 'Mailman' Mailen

I was born and raised in the hills of Tennessee. I decided in high school I wanted to design the best bikes and parts possible; I’ve been following my dream ever since. I love about every possible mode of cycling, mountain biking is the most fun, but if I’m on two wheels I’m happy.

COMMENTS (94)

Leaf S. | September 22nd, 2010

I imagine this will be popular with randonneurs looking for a budget bike, especially with Paris-Brest-Paris coming up in 2011. I’ll be curious to hear how the bike handles with a loaded HB bag. Is it steady riding no hands with a loaded bag, that’s essential. I think VO makes a decauler that works with threadless forks. Yes, very interesting…

jp | September 22nd, 2010

Now this is the kind of hot, finger-lickin’ Casseroll I hungered for!  The more traditional look, and geometry, is just what the chef ordered.

Some questions:

*Will it be available as a complete bike, as a frame only, or both?
*What will the spec be on a complete bike (I’m hoping for a real wide, mtb cassette in rear)?
*When will it be available to order?
*MSRP for frame, complete bike?

?Tengo hambre de Casseroll!

DC | September 22nd, 2010

For real!  That new Cassie is the stuff!

Mackerel | September 22nd, 2010

Sorry to be the first negative post, but why-oh-why canti brakes?
The long reach brakes on the old Casseroll were a real selling point IMO - probably the main USP for the bike.

SpencerSalmon | September 22nd, 2010

This looks awesome nice job guys!!

Noah | September 22nd, 2010

My WANT just became a NEED!

Ben Wideman | September 22nd, 2010

Wow, the new paint scheme and front rack looks really cool!  This was a very exciting article to find this morning.

But I gotta say, I liked the unique look of the straight fork on the old Casseroll.  Also, I was also one who purchased my Casseroll because of the long reach brakes (for what it is worth).

Does the complete now come with a Brooks saddle?  That is a cool feature, if so.

Steve | September 22nd, 2010

Love the updates except the Canti’s. Oh, well.

Jim | September 22nd, 2010

I, for one, really like the move to canti’s.  Thank you, Salsa and Sean.  I have been toying with the idea of adding a Casseroll Single to my stable, but was somewhat turned off by the long-reach brakes.  Just might have to pull the trigger now.

Dan Gulya | September 22nd, 2010

Wow.  I’m sold.  The new paint is beautiful.  I’ve been ogling these for three years and wishing they had cantis.  And the rack is awesome.  I guess I share the fondness for straight forks, but if it keeps the same ride, it’s worth it. 

Next build project commences in… when does it come out?

Erik | September 22nd, 2010

Seems like a lot of overlap with the Vaya.  Add disc mounts to this or canti posts to the other and there wouldn’t be that much of a difference.  I would have preferred if this had gone more in the Gunnar Sport/Riv Roadeo/Soma ES direction.  That being said, I do like the flatter top tube and curved fork on this guy.

Jeremy | September 22nd, 2010

Do you guys have a geometry chart for the new frame?  Does the extended head tube and new sizing scheme mean that I can get one that has a taller headtube and longer steerer than my current 59cm frame?

Larry Menzin | September 22nd, 2010

Sounds interesting! I’m using a Casseroll for commuting 7 months of the year and a Fargo for commuting during the winter due to its clearance for bigger tires (Nokian) and fenders. Does this mean that the new Casseroll will be good year round and I can dispense with 2 bikes?

jp | September 22nd, 2010

canti brakes = fatter tires = bliss

Old Cass could fit 32c + fenders.  New Cass can fit 38c + fenders!

The new Cass is lighter, more traditional than Vaya.  Vaya is for heavier touring, and presumably has clearance for even wider tires.  That said, I think Vaya occupies a fuzzy space between the new Cass and the new Fargo.  But really, all of these bikes are different.

The way I see it (disclosure: I’m often mistaken), the new Cass is primarily a randonneuring/country bike.  It’s not a road race bike (e.g. Gunnar Roadie), or even a club ride bike (e.g. Gunnar Sport).  If one is looking for a more affordable, steel version of a Gunnar Sport, one might look at a Surly Pacer.  For a more affordable, steel version of a Gunnar Roadie, one might look at the Salsa Pistola, or even a Salsa La Raza (both now defunct).

That said, I think it would be nice to see a Primero Ti.  With Podio and Pistola both now gone from the lineup, and with Primero a distant, but recurring wet dream, maybe there’s space for a road race/club ride bike from Salsa?

Jerry | September 22nd, 2010

looks like another winner.  love the cantis and the color.

Errin | September 22nd, 2010

Wow, what a surprise!  I’ve been using my Casseroll as my brevet bike but have just built up something else because of the previous versions shortcomings.  Mainly the limitation of the tire sizes and lack of rack mounts.  I’m really excited to see that these things are being addressed and I think it will be a perfect rando bike. 

I love the look of the new fork and the color scheme.  The extra bottle mount is great too.  One thing I would add would be threaded bosses on the front rack to allow for mounting of headlights directly to the rack.  I’m stoked that you guys took us rando riders into account on this bike, now I just have to see if I can trade my old in for a new one!

Wally | September 22nd, 2010

Very very nice. I saw the frame at a “Salsa night” at a LBS some weeks back and it was impressive. I can’t say i have the need but i would love to have one.

Hassan | September 22nd, 2010

I still want to know why the old Casseroll wasn’t supposed to be ridden off road!  Why?  Can the new one handle a little singletrack/dirt?  Thanks.

Chris | September 22nd, 2010

awesome looking bike guys! you missed the mark on the CCC in my opinion, but hit it dead center with this and the new 29er!

Ben | September 22nd, 2010

When is this being released?  I’m a US Sailor and I need a new bike for a charity ride I’m doing for my Command.  Don’t want to do it on my current bike that has 47c tires…

Craig | September 22nd, 2010

I think the old Casseroll was perfect.  I love the long reach brakes and have plenty of clearance with 38c tires.  I wouldn’t have changed a thing, but I already have mine, so I guess if others are happy, then great.

Spencer | September 22nd, 2010

I just wet my pants. The fork and front rack are beautiful. I do like the original long-reach brakes, but do see the benefits of easier fender clearance with studded tires. I have built up my Casseroll for rando riding, and this saves a lot of the work I’ve done.

J | September 22nd, 2010

Looks great.  Could you run it as a cross bike?  If so it would about be perfect.

adam | September 22nd, 2010

Awesome! Looks like it’s the bike I’ve been waiting for - especially the canti brakes - makes it a lot more versatile.

Guitar Ted | September 23rd, 2010

Saw this at Interbike today. Wow! I really like it.

To all who have opined about the move to canti brakes, I would submit that I have personally witnessed a Casseroll with the long reach brakes get fouled and come to a standstill on a gravel road ride when the rider had some dirt pack up between the tire and brake. Cantilever brakes open up more places where one could Adventure By Bike. That’s my take on it.

At any rate, this is a great update and will make this bike even more popular.

HugoFar | September 23rd, 2010

Lovely looking bike and front rack.Is it a Nitto rack as found on the Rivendell web site? (Or just inspired by them?) If so I can fully recommend them through recent experience with a Nitto ‘Marks Rack’.
Good work again Salsa.

R.A. | September 23rd, 2010

I was just commenting about the current one that I would prefer it if it had canti brakes. No real need for it in my stable, but the overall revision looks great.

canali | September 23rd, 2010

If only you’d also consider a ti option too! From what I’ve read ti and sport touring/randonneuring go very well together.

CS | September 23rd, 2010

When will the new geometry be up?

Craig | September 23rd, 2010

Obviously muddy gravel roads isn’t what the old Casseroll was made for.

I was simply looking for a road bike that could take fat tires, and the old Casseroll fit the bill.  No other road bike I have ever owned even came close to having the clearance to run the 38c tires I run now.  In that respect the old Casseroll was very unique (unless you want to pop for a Rivendell).

Cantilever brakes make the new one like a hundred other bikes out there.  I just wonder why anyone would buy that bike instead of a Vaya.

E | September 23rd, 2010

I’ve been considering the Casseroll or Surly Pacer to replace my beater road bike, specifically for weekday club rides and longer weekend rides (not commuting or touring.) I like the look & feel of steel, and they both fit nicely in my price range, and needs.

These enhancements are nifty, but a little overboard for someone who lives in the city and doesn’t commute or tour. I just like to get out and ride to blow off steam. It seemed that the Casseroll was the perfect fit, but now I’m wondering…

Maybe the 2011 Pistola will be the bike for me. Or maybe just grab a 2010 Casseroll, while I have time.

-E

jorge | September 23rd, 2010

The fact the posting about the new Casseroll has generated far more responses than any other Interbike new product posting by Salsa surely means something?  I’m wondering whether it’s just reaction (both good and bad) to the new Cass, or whether it’s also increased interest in Salsa road bikes (i.e. not just mountain bikes).  Salsa, take note. 

As far as the canti vs. long reach brakes debate on the new Cass, it’s a non-issue of me personally.  Cantis are strong, solid, give more clearance.  The brakes issue aside, everything else done to the new Cass is an improvement, in my view.  I already own a Cass Single, so I suppose I’ll have the best of both worlds when I get the new one. 

I think of the new Cass as a Surly Long Haul Trucker that went on a weight loss program, and decided to be sportier, nimbler, better looking. Had that same LHT decided to take the opposite route, it might have become a Fargo ;)

rick moffat | September 23rd, 2010

I think switching to cantis is a mistake.  The long-reach calipers would have much better stopping power and feel.  If you want to run 38’s and fenders on this bike…you should look at a different bike, IMHO.  Style-wise, the level TT is nice.  Get rid of the unicrown fork and go w/ a prpoer, nice, crowned fork.  IMHO that would have been money better spent then including a front rack.

Tom | September 23rd, 2010

As an owner of a 2007 Casserole that I use for light touring, I think this looks like a good update.  The front rack, in particular, is a huge improvement.  I agree that a nicer fork e.g. lighter, would be better.  I never understood the appeal of the very heavy, straight blade fork that came on my bike.  For heavens sake, if it has to be that heavy, at least put some low rider mounts on it.  As is was, I swapped it out for a Bontrager carbon Satellite fork which took off a pound, kept the eyelets and improved the ride considerably.  Maybe the curved blades of the new model will offer a similar improvement to the ride.

As to the brakes, I did buy the Casserole in part because of wanting long reach calipers.  But after several thousand miles and some decent tours, I think the canti’s may be a better choice if only for more fender clearance.  Either way, the new paint, front rack and taller head tube will make a really good touring/all around bike into a terrific one!

Eric | September 23rd, 2010

The cantis are fine, though I understand the mixed feelings about swaying from long reach calipers…especially since x-long reach calipers can handle a 40mm tire without issue.

The fork is another story, though.  It’s just ugly in a very cheap way.  A brazed flat crown fork with a classic sweep would have sold this for me.

spoon and knife | September 24th, 2010

+1 crowned fork, though these appear to be limited to Surly over at Q.

Leaf S. | September 24th, 2010

The front rack looks nice but remember that it will effect handling. Some perseverate over trail and handling but from what I’ve noticed, you get used to it even if it’s not optimum. Some bikes are better than others. I’ve done multiple super randonneur series on a bike not designed for a HB bag and it’s worked okay. The biggest bummer about riding a bike not optimized for a front load is riding at low speeds and rooting around in the bag or taking off/putting on a jacket, the bike can be wobbly or, at it’s worst, want to dive off to the side. Still, it should be okay. For more info on fork trail check-out Bicycle Quarterly magazine.

The HB in the photos looks to be a cheap VO bag that is actually too small for the bike and not secured with a decauler. VO makes a decauler that should work with a threadless system for securing a bag.

Finally, with the increased tire/fender clearance folks should consider running Paselas (32s or 35s) or Rivendell Jack Browns (green are light, blue are belted). Both are great tires that will play well with the Casseroll.

Casseroll Fan | September 24th, 2010

I can’t find any pictures of the updated Cass as it appears on Salsa’s booth at Interbike :(  Can anyone help?  Thanks!

jamesmtbkr | September 24th, 2010

Here’s a shot by one of the BikeCommuters.com crew:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_rider_commutes/5020580320/lightbox/

I love the color in this photo.  Anyone know if it’s just different lighting or if perhaps one or the other is just a prototype color?

Casseroll Fan | September 24th, 2010

Thank you, James!  Sugino triple!  Color-matching CroMoto stem!  Panaracer Pasela tires?  Custom Salsa saddle!  I wonder what group this has (Tiagra?  Apex?)...

rick moffat | September 24th, 2010

..Been thinking more about this bike.  Not sure, since no geo #‘s are available, how such a wide range of potential tire sizes affact trail.  I would have to suspect that the bike would handle differently if you were running, say, 25’s and then went up to 38’s, and that subsequently makes me worry that the bike might be trying to do too much.  I’m no bike designer, but how does one keep trail “consistent across the range” of frame sizes? Like I said before….maybe if you want to run big fatties on this bike, you should maybe be looking at a Fargo or something. I’ve been a Salsa fan since the Ross days…so my comments should not be intended as a slag, etc…  I still think that long-reach calipers would have been better, along with a crowned fork a la Surly.  I also hope that Salsa has kept the very nice dropouts that were on the original Cass.

Myself…I am lookin’ at the Ti La Cruz frameset.  Very nice.

Alex | September 24th, 2010

When will the bike be available and what is the MSRP?

JeffS | September 24th, 2010

The color is an improvement, but otherwise, I’m glad I got one before you screwed it up.

The head tube was already on the tall side, and canti brakes completely ruin the bike for me. Oh well.

Peter | September 24th, 2010

but did it keep the same deep BB drop?

jamesmallon | September 25th, 2010

Triple ring randonneuring bike: too right!  The best bike for a commuter and light tour also.  I like the aesthetics of long pull calipers, but cantis allow much easier clearance so they are the smarter choice for wide use.  I’ll be interested in the gear inches, but you can do a lot more with three than two rings.  Am hoping the fork trail is on the relaxed end.  Not as happy about the integrated brifters I have to say: what was wrong with bar-ends?

rick moffat | September 25th, 2010

Randonneur is the new Cyclocross, in all the bad ways that the phrase could imply.  Many “‘Cross” bikes out there that have little to do with how an actual cyclocross bike should be configured. And hey Salsa guys, as much as I might buy one for roughstuff….that statement includes the sloping TT La Cruz. No way I’d want to have to be shouldering that baby in a race, not at my height.

So now it’s Rando bikes.  Show me a single, classic, purpose-built randonneuring bike that has cantis.  Centerpulls, definitely…especially older euro rigs.  Cantis do allow for big fat tiree with fenders, etc….but for the last time, I’ll say that maybe at some point another bikes should be considered if you want really big tires, blah blah blah.  My chief beef w/ cantis on a (mostly) road bike is that they have generally lousy stopping power and are useless in the wet.  Cyclocross racing bikes can use cantis because really…who truly brakes in a ‘cross race?

xrandonneur | September 26th, 2010

The front rack might be a good thing - if the geometry has been tweaked to work with a bar bag. Not so sure about the new geometry; I was already dubious about fit on the Casseroll, and now it’s *MORE* upright?!? Quelle horreur!

I’m also anti-canti. If more reach was desired, why not use the Tektro 47-73mm reach dual-pivots? IME, dual-pivots have better power and feel, and are also easier to set up than cantis. They are also much less likely to be torn bodily off the frame.

JeffS | September 26th, 2010

Yea, “more upright” seems to be the company’s corporate motto lately.

superandonneur | September 26th, 2010

All I care about is that this bike handle well with the front load.  That’ll be the real test for the Cass 2.0.  Crowned fork would’ve been nice, but it isn’t absolutely necessary. 

That said, the outpouring of anti-canti sentiment here makes me wonder about Salsa’s “randonneuring friends, and feedback from riders who have spent countless hours helping to transform this bike”.  For instance, bloggers that get advertising dollars from Salsa are unlikely to be objective in their advice.  That’s just human nature.

JeffS | September 26th, 2010

They should have changed the name of the frame. It is a different bike built for a different demographic.

Brad | September 27th, 2010

My 2009 Tripple Cass is great ride - however, a Ti Salsa / Lynksey version of the new Cass may be close to perfect (for me) as a Rando bike - depending on the final geometry and handling with a weighted HB Bag.  I am, however, happy with 32’s & fenders & dual-pivots on my current Cass.  Can’t see the point for more than 32 for Rando.

Brian | September 27th, 2010

Similar to this:

http://www.raleighusa.com/bikes/steel-road/port-townsend-11/

ERT | September 27th, 2010

Could you post the Geometry for the 2011 frame please?  Until we see the specs, it’s just pie in the sky, or mud in the face ..... depending on what you want!

ERT | September 27th, 2010

I’m hoping you make a larger one. Right now Rivendell’s getting my money because they make frames to properly fit taller people.  .  .  . like no lurching over from too low of bars…. or short top tubes.

Of all the QBP family, no one seems to want to make larger frames. Damm shame. You could sell even more.

john | September 27th, 2010

Advantage over Vaya is that you can just get a frame and sling on existing parts and wheels without disc brake issues - though to be honest I would prefer canti bosses on the Vaya.

Most importantly, Salsa are doing something long overdue - making cool tour bikes.

MTBMaven | September 27th, 2010

Love the move to canti!  Good move. 

Would love to have seen mid-fork mount for front rack.  I know this is not intended for loaded touring but some of us prefer to carry our weight up front, which results in better handling, that using just a rear rack.  I did a 9 day, 500 mile tour with two front panniers and a Carradice Nelson off my saddle; no rear rack.

Also would love to see the ability to run a belt drive for those that want to run SS/fixed/IGH.

T'MF'roy | September 28th, 2010

Any word on availability, MSRP, frame/fork, and complete specs?

Magnus Thor | September 29th, 2010

Now, if this was only offered with S&S couplings I’d be first in line to buy one.  This looks like the perfect bring along bike that can handle a variety of terrain as well as light touring.

Ben | September 29th, 2010

...or you could just buy a Surly Traveler’s check or Long Haul Trucker Deluxe…

Jason | September 29th, 2010

not sure why I’m seeing all the ‘cantis give poor braking’ comments…if you’re getting braking out of your cantis that’s worse than sidepulls, you don’t have your cantis set up properly.  when they’re working correctly, cantis (especially wide-profile cantis) give much better braking than any sidepull out there.  now, whether or not you need that much braking power on a bike like this is debatable…

Mackerel | September 29th, 2010

@ Jason

Cantis can also cause serious and dangerous fork judder, particularly on long descents when fully loaded, if there is a long pull of exposed cable to the brake arms. This is caused by flex in the exposed cable, and flex in the frame components between the cable stop and the brake arms. It can usually be remedied with a fork crown mounted cable stop (rather than steerer mounted stop, which is supplied here on the new Cass), but this solution is unlikely to also allow fitting of the supplied front rack.

rick moffat | September 29th, 2010

Well Jason we will have to just agree to disagree.  You’re seing all the negative comments on cantis because they are flat-out second-rate brakes for a road bike. Setup, etc.. may be key…and few people in my experience can set up cantis very well.  I can, and have, and I use them on some bikes…but I would have preferred long-reach sidepulls on a bike like the Cass based on my experiences and observations. One man’s “Power” is another man’s “Poor Modulation”, after all. From a frameset configuration POV, cantis, (or V’s) would require seatstays and forkblades a little too beefy compared to what I’d want in a road or road-ish bike.  I do not *think* the Cass should be some big stout sled a’ la’ a Crosscheck or something,  It has the opportunity to be a realy nice poor man’s Hampsten Strada Bianca or something like that. But that is just me.  YMMV.

Dan Gulya | October 1st, 2010

So, when do we see geometry numbers?

Michael de Estrada | October 1st, 2010

Thanks for making these dramatic changes so that I was able to buy a 2010 Single on closeout for a fraction of MSRP. I’m perfectly fine with 700 x 32c tires and fenders for urban riding with just a rear rack.

Mr. Dana B. | October 3rd, 2010

> The new color is good. I literally had nightmares of thugs wanting to mug me because the old Casseroll color was so golden-bling-bling. Freak’n nightmares!

Mackerel | October 3rd, 2010

I might be starting to come round on this one.
My first reaction was that this isn’t the new Casseroll I’ve been expecting & waiting to buy. Really it seems like a rando optimised version of my Surly Cross-Check, with slightly more of a road bias, probably lighter and with a taller head-tube.
But then my CC is a great go anywhere bike. Just a shame it’s a bit heavy on the road and a bit low at the front…

Lord Bass | October 3rd, 2010

This reworked model looks great. I can’t wait to see the single speed model, and for MSRP. Dreaming of one for a future commuter..

I do think bar-ends would have been a better, cheaper choice for the triple, but 105 brifters do work just fine.

Doug | October 5th, 2010

Color scheme is very much like the old vintage Raleigh Pro. Coincidence?

Sell this bike in La Cruz Orange Pop and I’m down for it!

Eric | October 8th, 2010

So how is this different than a Cross Check?  Why would I buy this instead of a Pake C’muter?  Who needs another canti bike, there’s plenty already, discs are much better.  Glad to see Guitar Shill is chiming in, did you guys buy his plane ticket to interbike?

Brian | October 13th, 2010

Is the Website correct on the Casseroll tire specs 32mm w fenders 7 37mm without? If correct why the change to canti’s?

TacoShredder | October 13th, 2010

The product info page says up to 37mm, highlights says fits up to 35mm tire, and the geometry footnote says Standover is based on a 700 x 38 tire. I think most of the text was carried over from the previous version, but it is confusing.

Michael de Estrada | October 14th, 2010

Regarding tire sizes, I just purchased a 2010 Casseroll Single on closeout, and while a 32mm tire will work with fenders in the rear, it’s a total no go on the front. The problem is lack of clearance with the brake caliper, and I was barely able to fit a 28mm front tire with a fender. In fact, the stock Conti Contact tire, that is rated 37mm but is actually closer to 34mm, was almost rubbing on the front brake caliper without a fender. There is plenty of clearance at the fork, so replacing the front caliper brake with cantilevers would definitely permit the use of larger tires. Since Salsa has abandoned the single speed version of the Casseroll for 2011, it makes little sense to me that they have retained horizontal dropouts. Vertical dropouts makes wheel installation and removal much easier, especially with fenders, and it’s a lot safer, especially when using a quick release.

jlvota | October 15th, 2010

How does the front rack attach to the bike?  It appears that there is a mounting plate on the end of the tange that goes to the fork crown?  Why not just have a regular threaded tange that goes all the way through to the other side of the fork like the M-12?  The stock pictures appear to have the rack just attached to the canti studs and not the fork, and just appears as if the part that is supposed to attach to the crown is just floating there.  Possibly attached to the cable hanger?!

I am also curious to see what the two threaded braze-ons on the front of the rack are for.  It doesn’t seem like you would be able to easily attach a light on them if you also had a bag on there, unless there are plans to have a specialty light bracket?  Maybe some sort of attachment points for a plat-rack-ish add-on?  Can’t figure it out.

Tom M | October 27th, 2010

You have taken a great bike and made it even better.  I like all of the changes you’ve made to the new Casseroll—the color, the taller head tube, the canti brakes, horizontal top tube, front rack.  I have been tempted to buy a Casseroll many times, but you have finally pushed me over the edge. I wonder if those criticizing the canti brakes have actually used them?  I’ve got 3 road bikes with caliper brakes, and one with cantis. For a bike with the Casseroll’s intended purposes, canti brakes are far superior—they have more stopping power and allow the use of larger tires and fenders. When will the new Casseroll be available and what will it cost—both for the complete bike and the frame/fork?

jp | November 30th, 2010

@Eric: good point.  Both the C’mute and Cross Check are nice frames, but both very different from the Cass.  Geometry on Cass is more rando oriented, less cross oriented.  Cass is lighter.  Cass has nicer paint. For people looking to purchase a complete bike, C’mute is a non-starter.  Cross Check is sold with bar ends.  Cass is sold with STI.  Some people prefer STI.  Components on Cass Complete are nicer than on Cross Check, and provide lower gearing.

jorge | November 30th, 2010

a blast from the past that brings the updated Cass to mind: http://sheldonbrown.com/bike-screensaver1024x768/pages/1975-raleigh-pro.html

Doug | December 8th, 2010

It will be interesting to see if my post will make it as all of the above are pretty much glowing comments.  I am the only one who is saying “What the heck were you guys thinking”?  I have both the 30 speed and the single speed Casseroll.  Salsa has done nothing but switch this bike into a substandard bike. The quality of the components has gone down drastically for the 30 speed, and they aren’t even offering the single speed anymore.  Going away from the Shimano 105 group is a huge loss, and that single speed was the best bang for the buck out there, and now it is gone.  Their geometry changes reek of a boring ride which the old Casseroll was surely not.  The old style was truly a do-it-all bike.  Oh yeah, the bike is cheaper now, and most surely that is in more than the price.  BAD move Salsa!

jk0-015 | December 8th, 2010

I?ve been a Salsa fan since the Ross days?so my comments should not be intended as a slag, etc?  I still think that long-reach calipers would have been better, along with a crowned fork a la Surly.  I also hope that Salsa has kept the very nice dropouts that were on the original Cass.

aaron | December 25th, 2010

take my comments with a grain of salt..everyone please..

long reach rule in dry, and canti’s in slop- should make 2 versions, especially since they already had the other one dialed.

sloping top tubes for those inseam challanged, and level for those who are not- should make 2 versions, epsecially since they already had the other one dialed.

same with fork, some like straight others curverd…you get the idea..

finally, should make the frame safe to ride in moderate dirt, not hard to do in my mind as everyone should at least try it once..lol


ps thanks for listening to your customers..

Dee Vee | December 27th, 2010

Nice! I brought a different bike a year ago after reviewing quite a few Randos - the Casseroll included. If this model was available the outcome of that choice might have been different.

Don Stone | January 5th, 2011

I think my Ala Carte is in love, and I have to agree one of the most beautiful bikes I have ever seen…...

Stuart D. Wright | January 16th, 2011

The new Casseroll is very classic looking.  I especially dig the taller head tube and the front rack.  Also, I don’t know why so many people are down on canti brakes.  I think they are the perfect choice for a bike like this.  Salsa got this one right.

otaheite | January 27th, 2011

I use my 2008 Casseroll as my commuter, SUV, beach bike, grocery getter and transportation to take my 6 year old to school on a Burley Piccolo. With the long reach brakes and a rolling weight of over 260 lbs and an end to end lenght way over 10 feet, it stops just fine. Cantis aren’t really necessary but there are very few quality long reach brakes anymore. I have sold bikes for 20 years and it is the most practical bike I have ever owned. Even the tech weenies are impressed with my fendered, Campy Veloce speced, Brooks saddled retro ride.

jp | March 5th, 2011

Just took delivery of my 2011 Cassie Geared.  Beautiful.  I miss the ‘Salsa Classico Cro Moly’ decal on it, though, like the one on my 2010 Cassie Single.

Richard | March 10th, 2011

Love the versatility of the bike and would probably want to use it as a single speed until I get over that fad.  I would like to know if the rack is easily taken on and off without a lot of bother?

Rod | April 5th, 2011

Just curious.  How much does that Campy equipped Casseroll in the photo weigh?
Think it’s possible to get this bike close to 20 pounds?

otaheitelv | April 5th, 2011

Rod: As equiped, I think it weighs in at about 22 lbs without the rack and fenders. The Campy Vento wheels make it ride lighter than it really is. Once the trail a bike got hooked on, weight became a non issue.

tony | May 10th, 2011

Got my Casseroll in late Feb. and it has become my go to bike. Here in the Adirondacks, I needed something to ride most of the year that could carry a little bit of gear.  It is so comfortable that my road bike is only out when I feel bad for it.  Do any of you have ideas for an affordable front bag that would fit the decaleur?  Time to downscale and remove the winter bags from the rear rack, lighten up a bit and carry sandwiches instead of gloves/hats/jackets.  Only bags I find online are way costly. Am trying to avoid actual handlebar bags and want to use the decaleur.

Mike | May 26th, 2011

I think I just found the frame for my upcoming commuter, winter, all around bike. Hopefully my 40 wide studded tires can fit. Love the third bottle mount, lots of wide openspaces here in Montana. Like the canti’s, sometimes need strong brakes for the rush hour madness. Like the front rack. Love the pump peg also. My wife will be mad at you Salsa!

Ralf | August 14th, 2011

Can anyone recommend a good small bag for the front rack of this bike?

Chris | August 14th, 2011

I have a frameset on the way…  would love to see a recommendation on a bag as well…

Ralf | August 16th, 2011

This is a small, not too expensive, bag for the front rack. 

http://www.zimbalenorthamerica.com/Zimbale_Rack_Top_Front_Bag_p/zcb-frb.htm

Does anyone have another recommendation?

Chris | August 16th, 2011

that’s a darn nice bag, just about twice as much as I’d like to pay… Salsa guys, are you listening????  ;-)

Errin | August 16th, 2011

Check out the Acorn Boxy Rando Bag. I use one and they are great.

http://www.acornbags.com/boxybag.html

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